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		<title>Comment on Independence Day, 2008 by lyrl</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/07/04/independence-day-2008/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>lyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I've seen on the subject has suggested that the founding fathers were theists, not Christians.  A quick Google search turned up &lt;a href="http://www.millennialstar.org/2006/03/17/founding-fathers-as-theistic-rationalists/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this blog post&lt;/a&gt; that reflects my understanding.  They were certainly heavily influenced by Christianity, and it is unfortunate that some deny this so strongly.  But the "this country was founded as a Christian country" argument is often used to advocate aspects of Christianity that did not fall within the belief systems of the founding fathers; I can certainly see where frustration with that tactic would lead to over-reaction in the opposite direction.

As far as uniqueness of individual rights to the JudeoChristian belief system: I can't quote from their texts, but I think there are many religions that consider all men to be endowed with inescapable rights by a creator.  Hinduism somewhat fails with its caste system, but they believe rebirth makes this life into a "stage": much like children don't have the rights adults have, but they will grow into them. Gandhi was a Hindu, and he led India's overthrow of British rule.  My impression of Islam, Buddhism, and Sikhism is that they all place a high importance on individual rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve seen on the subject has suggested that the founding fathers were theists, not Christians.  A quick Google search turned up <a href="http://www.millennialstar.org/2006/03/17/founding-fathers-as-theistic-rationalists/" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a> that reflects my understanding.  They were certainly heavily influenced by Christianity, and it is unfortunate that some deny this so strongly.  But the &#8220;this country was founded as a Christian country&#8221; argument is often used to advocate aspects of Christianity that did not fall within the belief systems of the founding fathers; I can certainly see where frustration with that tactic would lead to over-reaction in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>As far as uniqueness of individual rights to the JudeoChristian belief system: I can&#8217;t quote from their texts, but I think there are many religions that consider all men to be endowed with inescapable rights by a creator.  Hinduism somewhat fails with its caste system, but they believe rebirth makes this life into a &#8220;stage&#8221;: much like children don&#8217;t have the rights adults have, but they will grow into them. Gandhi was a Hindu, and he led India&#8217;s overthrow of British rule.  My impression of Islam, Buddhism, and Sikhism is that they all place a high importance on individual rights.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wanted by Keithius</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/06/13/wanted/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Keithius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google Calendar is a good place to start, though since I don't know what sort of mobile phone you have I can't say if it'd sync with it... although you can sync your Google Calendar with Outlook and then sync that with your phone. 

That's about the best you can hope for at the moment... at least until Google comes out with their own cell phone. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Calendar is a good place to start, though since I don&#8217;t know what sort of mobile phone you have I can&#8217;t say if it&#8217;d sync with it&#8230; although you can sync your Google Calendar with Outlook and then sync that with your phone. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s about the best you can hope for at the moment&#8230; at least until Google comes out with their own cell phone. ;-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Different Cultures by lyrl</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/06/06/different-cultures/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>lyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking more of, say, the European cultural practice of kissing upon being introduced to someone, vs. the American cultural practice of handshaking.  Living in Spain for a few months in college, it was quite the experience to have a table full of people line up to kiss me as we were introduced.  Someone attempting to do that in American could be charged with sexual harassment.  If it was done in an employment setting, they could be fired.  If you live and work in America, it is almost an imperative that when you're introduced to someone, you shake their hand instead of kissing them.

Or something less blatant such as how one cuts meat.  In America, the "correct" way is to switch hands to cut so the knife is in your stronger hand.  In Europe, the "correct" way is to leave the fork in the dominant hand and avoid the switching back and forth.  Eating in the "wrong" way for the culture would be noticed in any formal dining situation.

Commercialism and pop culture is a bit of a deeper subject I don't think I'm qualified to tackle.  But I thought that the type of training referred to by Keith covered more everyday things like greetings, whether or not to make eye contact, if hand-holding is appropriate (remember when the Saudi Arabian King visited and walked around holding President Bush's hand?), etc.

Not that I think expecting people living in a culture to follow cultural norms such as shaking hands is unreasonable.  But it's good to be aware that such norms are different in other countries, to help avoid potentially damaging misunderstandings.  And it can show a lot of caring to attempt to make someone feel more comfortable by allowing some of their cultural practices into a relationship (personal or business)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking more of, say, the European cultural practice of kissing upon being introduced to someone, vs. the American cultural practice of handshaking.  Living in Spain for a few months in college, it was quite the experience to have a table full of people line up to kiss me as we were introduced.  Someone attempting to do that in American could be charged with sexual harassment.  If it was done in an employment setting, they could be fired.  If you live and work in America, it is almost an imperative that when you&#8217;re introduced to someone, you shake their hand instead of kissing them.</p>
<p>Or something less blatant such as how one cuts meat.  In America, the &#8220;correct&#8221; way is to switch hands to cut so the knife is in your stronger hand.  In Europe, the &#8220;correct&#8221; way is to leave the fork in the dominant hand and avoid the switching back and forth.  Eating in the &#8220;wrong&#8221; way for the culture would be noticed in any formal dining situation.</p>
<p>Commercialism and pop culture is a bit of a deeper subject I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m qualified to tackle.  But I thought that the type of training referred to by Keith covered more everyday things like greetings, whether or not to make eye contact, if hand-holding is appropriate (remember when the Saudi Arabian King visited and walked around holding President Bush&#8217;s hand?), etc.</p>
<p>Not that I think expecting people living in a culture to follow cultural norms such as shaking hands is unreasonable.  But it&#8217;s good to be aware that such norms are different in other countries, to help avoid potentially damaging misunderstandings.  And it can show a lot of caring to attempt to make someone feel more comfortable by allowing some of their cultural practices into a relationship (personal or business)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Different Cultures by redfish</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/06/06/different-cultures/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, lyrl, I would say Western culture has been overrun by modern commercialism in the same way that foreign cultures have been, pop culture isn't anything regional, its global. McDonalds has nothing to do with Goethe or Beethoven or Christianity, and not many people really appreciate those things anymore either. And as much as there's a Britney Spears there's a Shakira or a Jpop singer.

And for close to a century, any cultural tradition that the West has had before the 20th century has been attacked in academia and in press circles. Even though its not clear that its specifically 'white people' who have power anymore; unscrupulous white businessmen own capital, but they make deals with dictators in Africa and cartels like OPEC and in South America. Its also not about cultural relations; even in the West as we're told to not judge any foreign cultures, since we don't understand them; but we're allowed to judge Western culture 100 years ago as racist and bigoted, even though must people don't understand it. 

And that's understandable, at first. But it's been 100 years since this started, and some people don't realize the world has changed. Even though Africa is just as poor, you can't place more blame on the West than you can on the UN, other international bodies, and ideologies that have nothing to do with Western traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, lyrl, I would say Western culture has been overrun by modern commercialism in the same way that foreign cultures have been, pop culture isn&#8217;t anything regional, its global. McDonalds has nothing to do with Goethe or Beethoven or Christianity, and not many people really appreciate those things anymore either. And as much as there&#8217;s a Britney Spears there&#8217;s a Shakira or a Jpop singer.</p>
<p>And for close to a century, any cultural tradition that the West has had before the 20th century has been attacked in academia and in press circles. Even though its not clear that its specifically &#8216;white people&#8217; who have power anymore; unscrupulous white businessmen own capital, but they make deals with dictators in Africa and cartels like OPEC and in South America. Its also not about cultural relations; even in the West as we&#8217;re told to not judge any foreign cultures, since we don&#8217;t understand them; but we&#8217;re allowed to judge Western culture 100 years ago as racist and bigoted, even though must people don&#8217;t understand it. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s understandable, at first. But it&#8217;s been 100 years since this started, and some people don&#8217;t realize the world has changed. Even though Africa is just as poor, you can&#8217;t place more blame on the West than you can on the UN, other international bodies, and ideologies that have nothing to do with Western traditions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Different Cultures by lyrl</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/06/06/different-cultures/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>lyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The culture with the most power has always been able to mandate allowances be made for it.  For recent history, America has been the superpower of the world.  Within America, lighter-skinned people have accumulated money, control of the economy, and control of the government to a disproportionate extent.  As a group, these people have their culture respected because they have the power to demand that appreciation.

Other cultures don't have the ability to demand respect, so they ask for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The culture with the most power has always been able to mandate allowances be made for it.  For recent history, America has been the superpower of the world.  Within America, lighter-skinned people have accumulated money, control of the economy, and control of the government to a disproportionate extent.  As a group, these people have their culture respected because they have the power to demand that appreciation.</p>
<p>Other cultures don&#8217;t have the ability to demand respect, so they ask for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Failure! Betrayal? by Keithius</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/05/30/failure-betrayal/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Keithius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally understand your naming scheme - I love coming up with names. I use "fictional places" as my theme at home - so I've had "Sanctuary," "Mobius," and now "Elysion." And of course my wireless AP is named... Aether. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally understand your naming scheme - I love coming up with names. I use &#8220;fictional places&#8221; as my theme at home - so I&#8217;ve had &#8220;Sanctuary,&#8221; &#8220;Mobius,&#8221; and now &#8220;Elysion.&#8221; And of course my wireless AP is named&#8230; Aether. ;-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing HTTG: Kate by Frozen Transparency &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Failure! Betrayal?</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/05/02/writing-httg-kate/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Frozen Transparency &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Failure! Betrayal?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Writing HTTG: Kate  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Writing HTTG: Kate  [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rape, the Holocaust, and Santa Claus by Keithius</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/05/16/rape-the-holocaust-and-santa-claus/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Keithius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting points. 

In a way, though, it raises an interesting chicken and egg problem - does the behavior of adults (refusing to question "established facts") stem from our treatment as children, or does it cause us to treat our children in that way?

Or, in other words, is it *because* we were lied to so often as children that we become so willing to believe as adults - or, as adults who *want* to believe (and not have those beliefs - those "implicit truths," i.e., rape statistics), do we then deliberately pass on that behavior to our children by lying to them?

However it started, it seems to have become self-perpetuating. What was once "just a little white lie" has become "it's OK to lie continuously as long as the outcome is good (i.e., what you want)." 

It's less "is that what we really want our culture to be" and more "this is what our culture IS." But hey, it's like they say in all those [insert problem here]-Anonymous groups - "the first step is admitting you have a problem."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting points. </p>
<p>In a way, though, it raises an interesting chicken and egg problem - does the behavior of adults (refusing to question &#8220;established facts&#8221;) stem from our treatment as children, or does it cause us to treat our children in that way?</p>
<p>Or, in other words, is it *because* we were lied to so often as children that we become so willing to believe as adults - or, as adults who *want* to believe (and not have those beliefs - those &#8220;implicit truths,&#8221; i.e., rape statistics), do we then deliberately pass on that behavior to our children by lying to them?</p>
<p>However it started, it seems to have become self-perpetuating. What was once &#8220;just a little white lie&#8221; has become &#8220;it&#8217;s OK to lie continuously as long as the outcome is good (i.e., what you want).&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s less &#8220;is that what we really want our culture to be&#8221; and more &#8220;this is what our culture IS.&#8221; But hey, it&#8217;s like they say in all those [insert problem here]-Anonymous groups - &#8220;the first step is admitting you have a problem.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rape, the Holocaust, and Santa Claus by Keith Bertelsen</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/05/16/rape-the-holocaust-and-santa-claus/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bertelsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree.

I seem to be the one odd person in America who was given reasonable and rational sex ed in school. They explained the dangers, they talked about protection, they talked about abstinence, but they ultimately left it down to a choice. Either that, or I just ignored the stupid parts and paid attention to the good bits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree.</p>
<p>I seem to be the one odd person in America who was given reasonable and rational sex ed in school. They explained the dangers, they talked about protection, they talked about abstinence, but they ultimately left it down to a choice. Either that, or I just ignored the stupid parts and paid attention to the good bits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Not Enough Soap? by Keith Bertelsen</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentransparency.com/2008/05/09/not-enough-soap/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bertelsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely. It was a big "whoa" moment for me, even, when I realized that when I buy (say) a cell phone, that means there's one less cell phone out there for someone else to buy. All goods are produced in finite amounts, and they all end up somewhere.

Oddly enough, this led me to buying more things from companies I don't like. Why? Because if I have it, that means someone else (who might end up liking the company and buying more of their stuff) doesn't.

&lt;i&gt;if demand is not rising and there are no supply shortages, why has the cost gone up?&lt;/i&gt;

There is the possibility that some other factor along the supply line has increased in cost. The increased cost of everything due to the increased cost of gas is an excellent example of this. If there were a sudden shortage of, say, a material used in building car-making machines, then the cost of cars would go up because it costs more to make them.

People seem to put their trust in tangible, concrete things (government) than in abstract, amorphous things (the market). The question is: where does God lie in that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely. It was a big &#8220;whoa&#8221; moment for me, even, when I realized that when I buy (say) a cell phone, that means there&#8217;s one less cell phone out there for someone else to buy. All goods are produced in finite amounts, and they all end up somewhere.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, this led me to buying more things from companies I don&#8217;t like. Why? Because if I have it, that means someone else (who might end up liking the company and buying more of their stuff) doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><i>if demand is not rising and there are no supply shortages, why has the cost gone up?</i></p>
<p>There is the possibility that some other factor along the supply line has increased in cost. The increased cost of everything due to the increased cost of gas is an excellent example of this. If there were a sudden shortage of, say, a material used in building car-making machines, then the cost of cars would go up because it costs more to make them.</p>
<p>People seem to put their trust in tangible, concrete things (government) than in abstract, amorphous things (the market). The question is: where does God lie in that?</p>
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